meirion: (university)
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"78. When the Council put its governance proposals before the University it did so in the expressed hope that this would produce clarity of decision on the various aspects of the proposals. Events demonstrated that even after a ballot, clarity of decision had not resulted. Part of the problem appears to have been that the conflation of several different issues within a single Grace made it impossible for the Regent House to express its views separately on separate issues. The intention to introduce external members to the Council was combined with a proposal to reduce the proportion of the Council's membership elected by the Regent House and a proposal to introduce members elected by the University's Assistant Staff. Each issue was of sufficient consequence to merit a separate Grace.

79. The Board is pleased to note that the Council is already reviewing these matters. However, it suggests that the Council should at the same time reconsider the voting system currently used by the University for ballots on Graces of the Regent House. Although Single Transferable Voting (STV) has long been used for elections to the Council, the Board is not aware that there has been any review of the STV Regulations after the Wass Report and the consequent introduction of provisions for the amendment of Graces of the Regent House. At the Discussion on 11 March, a speaker argued in detail that the single-winner version of STV may, in certain circumstances, lead to anomalies where a voter ranking an option higher (whilst keeping the order of the other options unchanged) can cause that option to lose. If correct this is a disturbing possibility, particularly given that the Single Transferable Vote Regulations (Statutes and Ordinances, p. 121) currently state that a later preference cannot count against an earlier one."

i think one could describe that as a result :-)))

-m-

Date: 2003-08-06 08:20 am (UTC)

Date: 2003-08-06 08:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glitterboy1.livejournal.com
Not just a result: a resounding win! Go you!

Date: 2003-08-06 12:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mtbc100.livejournal.com
Absolutely. I think you do the University a valuable service by bothering to care about these things.

Date: 2003-08-06 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com
Is this an STV vs Condorcet thing? If so cool!

Date: 2003-08-06 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meirion.livejournal.com
it is indeed. or, to be more accurate, the one-winner version of stv versus condorcet plus (frex) cloneproof schwartz sequential dropping.

i'm just amazed that anyone with the authority to require stuff to be done bothered listening. but i'm very pleased indeed :-)

-m-

Date: 2003-08-06 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaet.livejournal.com
Excellent! Well done.

Para 78 is the old compositing disputes from the TUC. They who control the compositing have a great deal of control over what gets passed.

Date: 2003-08-07 01:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glitterboy1.livejournal.com
Absolutely. The same kind of nonsense used to go on in the student unions, too, when I was around. Still may do, for all I know.

Date: 2003-08-07 07:08 am (UTC)
lnr: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lnr
IRTA "composting"

Date: 2003-08-07 07:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaet.livejournal.com
I'm sure there would be just as much controversy over TUC composting, :). I've been hving trouble misreading and hearing things this week, I htink it might be the heat. The weirdest one was hearing an advance party of wicket-keepers (rather than peace-keepers) had been sent to quell tension in Liberia. I'd swear that's what they said if it wasn't so daft!

Date: 2003-08-07 03:02 pm (UTC)
lovingboth: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lovingboth
Yay! They've been using the wrong version of STV I take it?

Date: 2003-08-08 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meirion.livejournal.com
i don't have any problems with the version of stv they're using for electing people (except for the fact that practically nobody can comprehend it). what i do have a problem with is what they're using for ballots on proposals (or for elections where there's only one place to be filled) which can lead to this (http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~galletly/university/speech2.html) happening.

-m-

Date: 2003-08-31 05:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] actionreplay.livejournal.com
a, PR-STV, yes, it's complicated..... BTW, there is a random element in the variation of the system that is used for the Irish Dail (parliament) - when redistributing ballots, the choice of actual papers to redistrubte is random, and so the later preferences are essentially raqndomly chosen.... it can and has been an important factor in the past... Donnla, veteran of many election counts... STV for proposals though???? Seems unnecessarily complex...


Date: 2003-09-27 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well done, although it'll be even more impressive if the Council actually takes any notice...
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